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lindsey graham actually wrote the law. i mean, he wrote the act and they don't go to military commissions. i think we are talking apples and oranges here. >> we have a lot of confusion here. this is where i disagree with juan. cases going back to the civil war. the president has the authority to declare somebody an enemy combatant. all that means when you talk to them. anything they tell you in the context of intelligence gathering cannot be used against them in a court of flaw a criminal proceeding. that's what the constitution says is that you have a right not to be compelled to incriminate yourself in a criminal proceeding. intelligence gathering thing there are all sorts of ways where you wall off what you get from his intelligence gathering. not poison a criminal case and every lawyer that has looked at this has said they don't need a confession from this guy. they have so much evidence that the idea that somehow if he tells them something he might get off no one thinks that's a possibility. i think, you know, jane ha
lindsey graham actually wrote the law. i mean, he wrote the act and they don't go to military commissions. i think we are talking apples and oranges here. >> we have a lot of confusion here. this is where i disagree with juan. cases going back to the civil war. the president has the authority to declare somebody an enemy combatant. all that means when you talk to them. anything they tell you in the context of intelligence gathering cannot be used against them in a court of flaw a criminal...
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lindsey graham and others will say it wasn't enough. not necessarily just 48 hours of vergation, but days and days if not weeks and weeks. that will be a sung for futubje future debate. just ahead, a check of other stories we're following, including serious delays at major airports across the country with fewer people in control towers. we're in store for a lot of waiting. back in a moment with that and all of the late developments out of boston. thank you orville and wilbur... ...amelia... neil and buzz: for teaching us that you can't create the future... by clinging to the past. and with that: you're history. instead of looking behind... delta is looking beyond. 80 thousand of us investing billions... in everything from the best experiences below... to the finest comforts above. we're not simply saluting history... we're making it. >>> welcome back to on a special "newsroom," live from boston. all on the latest on the investigation in a moment. other top stories making news on this tuesday. the tsa has postponed a controversial rule a
lindsey graham and others will say it wasn't enough. not necessarily just 48 hours of vergation, but days and days if not weeks and weeks. that will be a sung for futubje future debate. just ahead, a check of other stories we're following, including serious delays at major airports across the country with fewer people in control towers. we're in store for a lot of waiting. back in a moment with that and all of the late developments out of boston. thank you orville and wilbur... ...amelia......
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senator lindsey graham republican of south carolina is a member of the judiciary committee and stepped out of a hearing to join us. nice to have you back on the program. >> thank you very much. jenna: let's talk a little bit about what you had to say about radical islam. you say yo we need to up our game. what specifically do you mean by upping our game against radical islam. >> the first thing we need to do is reject the narrative of this administration that osama bin laden is dead, the wars are receding and we are all safe. they've been trying to suggest since the death of osama bin laden that al-qaida is basically being dismantled, and the wars are receding. what i mean by upping our game? making sure that when the ambassador in libya tells the state department, and the department of defense, that al-qaida flags are flying over benghazi, i can't defend my consulate against a coordinated attack, that you do something about it. that when a consulate is under attack an and ambassador is missing for seven and a half hours you have the ability to go to their rescue, and after the fact yo
senator lindsey graham republican of south carolina is a member of the judiciary committee and stepped out of a hearing to join us. nice to have you back on the program. >> thank you very much. jenna: let's talk a little bit about what you had to say about radical islam. you say yo we need to up our game. what specifically do you mean by upping our game against radical islam. >> the first thing we need to do is reject the narrative of this administration that osama bin laden is...
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i don't know why lindsey graham hates the constitution as much as he does, but he does. but i think getting back to last week, i was deeply worried. and i think folks on my staff at ctr were deeply worried this was going to go in a very different way than it ended up going. there was a lot of discussion around miranda, a lot of discussion about enemy combatants. and i think given the heinous crime that happened in boston, that folks like lindsey graham, and frankly the political sideshow that developed around the calls for this and calls for that really did not do justice to the people that are suffering in boston right now. the best solution is the constitution. the constitution is not the enemy. it's the people that commit these crimes. and the last piece is it's deeply important the trial and the mechanism we have is full and fair. that's the only way that we can as a society get out of this. >> i don't want to give this more credence than it deserves. but one follow-up question. can you just dub someone an enemy combatant? >> george bush did. >> that's the question,
i don't know why lindsey graham hates the constitution as much as he does, but he does. but i think getting back to last week, i was deeply worried. and i think folks on my staff at ctr were deeply worried this was going to go in a very different way than it ended up going. there was a lot of discussion around miranda, a lot of discussion about enemy combatants. and i think given the heinous crime that happened in boston, that folks like lindsey graham, and frankly the political sideshow that...
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that's what they are trying do here. >> and that is not what that statute says. >> lindsey graham wrote the law and has been -- you are incorrect. you can be an anen combatant -- >> what he wrote was only aliens can be tried -- >> no, that's not correct. >> guys we have to run. >> you are incorrect. >> coming up tonight, we have a special hannity tribute to the great city of boston and the victims of last more than's horrific atank but first should torture be used to extract information from the bombing suspect? some are here to defend that statement. that and more coming up straight ahead. the boys used double miles from their capital one venture card to fly home for the big family reunion. you must be garth's father? hello. mother. mother! traveling is easy with the venture card because you can fly airline anytime. two words. double miles! this guy can act. wanna play dodge rock? oh, you guys! and with double miles you can actuay use, you never miss the fun. beard growing conte and go! ♪ win! what's in your wallet? >> over the weekend new york senator grayling bohl got in trouble wi
that's what they are trying do here. >> and that is not what that statute says. >> lindsey graham wrote the law and has been -- you are incorrect. you can be an anen combatant -- >> what he wrote was only aliens can be tried -- >> no, that's not correct. >> guys we have to run. >> you are incorrect. >> coming up tonight, we have a special hannity tribute to the great city of boston and the victims of last more than's horrific atank but first should...
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that's what they are trying do here. >> and that is not what that statute says. >> lindsey graham wrote the law and has been -- you are incorrect. you can be an anen combatant -- >> what he wrote was only aliens can be tried -- >> no, that's not correct. >> guys we have to run. >> you are incorrect. >> coming up tonight, we have a special hannity tribute to the great city of boston and the victims of last more than's horrific atank but first should torture be used to extract information from the bombing suspect? some are here to defend that statement. that and more coming up straight ahead. @ ♪ roundup ♪ now roundup has a new sharp-shootin' wand ♪ ♪ just point and shoot, and weeds are gone ♪ ♪ 'round fences, trees, even mulched beds ♪ ♪ 'cause the only good weed is a weed that's dead ♪ ♪ roundup [ male announcer ] with a new one-touch wand. yeha! [ whip cracks ] challenge that with olay facial hair removal duos for fine or coarse hair. first a pre-treatment balm then the effective cream. for gentle hair removal at far less than salon prices. there's no place lik
that's what they are trying do here. >> and that is not what that statute says. >> lindsey graham wrote the law and has been -- you are incorrect. you can be an anen combatant -- >> what he wrote was only aliens can be tried -- >> no, that's not correct. >> guys we have to run. >> you are incorrect. >> coming up tonight, we have a special hannity tribute to the great city of boston and the victims of last more than's horrific atank but first should...
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senator lindsey graham who wanted to treat him like it ought to be combatant he is being treated as if he has been treated as an american citizen would go to court and he is going to as if he has had his he has had his miranda rights read to him so i think that argument that argument but settled for the most part people can continue to debate whether this man should go to get no or whether he should whether he should have been treated as an enemy combatant but at this point argument is a dead in the water absolutely kerrick when blogger at boston dot com he's also a contributor at reason magazine and the we can editor at media i thank you so much for joining us. now let's focus on how the media covered the boston marathon bombing and the manhunt that followed a lot of news coverage with a series of mistakes including the misidentification of innocent people as the suspects for more on the mainstream media missteps the residents lori her feminist . the mainstream media sucks to epic proportions well covering the boston marathon bombing first you had the failure of c.n.n. reporting it wa
senator lindsey graham who wanted to treat him like it ought to be combatant he is being treated as if he has been treated as an american citizen would go to court and he is going to as if he has had his he has had his miranda rights read to him so i think that argument that argument but settled for the most part people can continue to debate whether this man should go to get no or whether he should whether he should have been treated as an enemy combatant but at this point argument is a dead...
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i know john mccain, lindsey graham, couple of others are pushing for that. you need a little more evidence to know whether you can do that. you really have to know, did he become part of the terrorist war against the united states? these e-mails and texts that they're discovering kind of make a pretty good case that he was part of a group that's at war against the united states. if you can make that case, then you could try him in a military court. you could try him in guantanamo bay and not have the spectacle of this trial having to take place in boston or some other place where they would change venue. >> are you sure about military court? as i understand, it was for noncitizens and for foreign nationals. >> if a citizen becomes part of the war effort against the united states -- let's take an example like this. let's take the second world war. let's say an american citizen went to germany and joined the nazi army and invaded the united states, we could try that person in a military court. now, the nature of this war is so ambiguous, you're going to get a
i know john mccain, lindsey graham, couple of others are pushing for that. you need a little more evidence to know whether you can do that. you really have to know, did he become part of the terrorist war against the united states? these e-mails and texts that they're discovering kind of make a pretty good case that he was part of a group that's at war against the united states. if you can make that case, then you could try him in a military court. you could try him in guantanamo bay and not...
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some g.o.p.makers, including lindsey graham, say doing so may help theofeds gather evidence. a little more than ten minutes ago cities and towns across the country joined boston in a moment of silence. >> shepard: the terror attack killed three people and wounded more than 170 others. for ten of the victims the bombings cost them an arm or leg. we have team fox coverage. adam houseley at the hospital where the suspect is in'm custody. first congratulate ran, this debate, what is this? >> republicans senator lindsey graham who wrote the military commissions act said, just like the administration, there is no option to pursue a military trial for dzhokar tsarnaev because he is an american citizen. but there's another legal option to clear the 19-year-old enemy combatant or enemy belligerent for purpose of evidence gathering. >> under the law of war there's no right to legal counsel when you're being questioned for national security purposes. so i hope the obama administration will allow that exception and they have a very bad track record here. >> the white house telling report
some g.o.p.makers, including lindsey graham, say doing so may help theofeds gather evidence. a little more than ten minutes ago cities and towns across the country joined boston in a moment of silence. >> shepard: the terror attack killed three people and wounded more than 170 others. for ten of the victims the bombings cost them an arm or leg. we have team fox coverage. adam houseley at the hospital where the suspect is in'm custody. first congratulate ran, this debate, what is this?...
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i know john mccain, lindsey graham, couple of others are pushing for that. you need a little more evidence to know whether you can do that. you really have to know, did he become part of the terrorist war against the united states? these e-mails and texts that they're discovering kind of make a pretty good case that he was part of a group that's at war against the united states. if you can make that case, then you could try him in a military court. you could try him in guantanamo bay and not have the spectacle of this trial having to take place in boston or some other place where they would change venue. >> are you sure about military court? as i understand, it was for noncitizens and for foreign nationals. >> if a citizen becomes part of the war effort against the united states -- let's take an example like this. let's take the second world war. let's say an american citizen went to germany and joined the nazi army and invaded the united states, we could try that person in a military court. now, the nature of this war is so ambiguous, you're going to get a
i know john mccain, lindsey graham, couple of others are pushing for that. you need a little more evidence to know whether you can do that. you really have to know, did he become part of the terrorist war against the united states? these e-mails and texts that they're discovering kind of make a pretty good case that he was part of a group that's at war against the united states. if you can make that case, then you could try him in a military court. you could try him in guantanamo bay and not...
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>> caller: i feel sorry for lindsey graham. he embarrasses himself every time he doesn't vote democrat. doesn't he try to make everything scary. everything has to scare the public. has to be scary. has to be foreign so everyone stays scared. it is a warmongering thing and it has to do -- >> bill: everything is all about lindsey me, me, me. >> caller: i'm from illinois and i don't know why rick perry would want me to live in texas. that scares me that he think illinois businesspeople want to go to texas. >> bill: he also thinks california businesspeople want to go to texas too. he did that -- he tried to campaign out there, as well. hey, one other thing i wanted to mention, you probably heard the whining yesterday and no matter where you were, it sounded like sirens. no, they were republicans whining because there were air-traffic control delays yesterday, some flights delayed up to two hours. here's the republican governor of florida, rick scott. >> this doesn't make any sense why are we doing this. it is going to impact delays
>> caller: i feel sorry for lindsey graham. he embarrasses himself every time he doesn't vote democrat. doesn't he try to make everything scary. everything has to scare the public. has to be scary. has to be foreign so everyone stays scared. it is a warmongering thing and it has to do -- >> bill: everything is all about lindsey me, me, me. >> caller: i'm from illinois and i don't know why rick perry would want me to live in texas. that scares me that he think illinois...
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so i don't really see lindsey graham's proposal as all that differentwhat's going on now. he seems to suggest a longer process of questioning him, but the obama administration has also committed to some period of questioning. now, this all assumes that he's willing to answer questions. can he always samp simply say it answering questions and there is no way either under enemy combatant rules or in the criminal justice system to force someone to answer questions who doesn't want to answer them. >> the argument i guess is under this limited questioning period before he is formally advised of his miranda rights, he has and right to an attorney, doesn't have to answer any questions. there has been some suggestion that can only last maybe 48 hours or so if he's formally named an enemy combatant, that would go on for days if not weeks. i guess that's the distinction. >> it's the length of time. right. the enemy combatant, if that designation were made, could go on for weeks or even months. but i just think it's important to emphasize that the obama administration has absolutely
so i don't really see lindsey graham's proposal as all that differentwhat's going on now. he seems to suggest a longer process of questioning him, but the obama administration has also committed to some period of questioning. now, this all assumes that he's willing to answer questions. can he always samp simply say it answering questions and there is no way either under enemy combatant rules or in the criminal justice system to force someone to answer questions who doesn't want to answer them....
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. >> lindsey graham is doing a whole bunch of talk radio this morning. it's clear to me, we know why they probably booked all these interviews. because they're worried that this is where the immigration issue could percolate where all of the sudden the connection to boston happens. >> i think it also shows that compared to the last time around in '06 and '07 the republicans who were for this type of legislation are a lot more active in trying to engage with the conservative critics. >> dan, that does seem to be a huge difference before, they would lament maybe to you in interviews. but they wouldn't actively try to fix this. >> yeah. you know, they're pushing forward in a way they weren't before. they're much more confident about the reasons why they're doing this. and they're -- they feel much less defensive about it when they're being criticized by their own people. >> at the press conference amongst the most eloquent were marco rubio. the marco rubio. >> you were there. richard. this was the most fascinating -- >> it's a definition of kumbaya. >> it g
. >> lindsey graham is doing a whole bunch of talk radio this morning. it's clear to me, we know why they probably booked all these interviews. because they're worried that this is where the immigration issue could percolate where all of the sudden the connection to boston happens. >> i think it also shows that compared to the last time around in '06 and '07 the republicans who were for this type of legislation are a lot more active in trying to engage with the conservative critics....
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do you think lindsey graham keeps objection general in his office? >> oh, my stars. >> stephanie: he has barely a moment to stop getting the vapors over something. nearly hardly recovered from his benghazi vapors when now he has the vapors over why this guy isn't being treated as an enemy combatant. did jay carney not say it completely like -- there's only one way to say it. it is against the law. he is a united states citizen that committed the crime. jay carney said we will prosecute this terrorist through our civilian system of justice under u.s. law. united states citizens cannot be tried in military commissions. >> if the justice department had tried him as an enemy combatant lindsey graham would have said you're break the law. he's an american citizen. >> stephanie: why didn't we follow donald trump's idea of waterboarding him before he recovered from his throat injuries to see what kind of information we could have gotten. >> water board him while his head is underwater. if he doesn't answer, then we know he did it. >> stephanie: he's dead. no
do you think lindsey graham keeps objection general in his office? >> oh, my stars. >> stephanie: he has barely a moment to stop getting the vapors over something. nearly hardly recovered from his benghazi vapors when now he has the vapors over why this guy isn't being treated as an enemy combatant. did jay carney not say it completely like -- there's only one way to say it. it is against the law. he is a united states citizen that committed the crime. jay carney said we will...
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we'll talk to senator lindsey graham about this. he is coming up later this hour. bill: meanwhile, martha, a lawyer for tamerlan's widow, american widow is assisting and cooperating in the investigation. her family, the russell family in massachusetts, struggling to come to terms with his alleged involvement. this statement released through her attorney just late yesterday. >> the reports of involvement by her husband and brother-in-law came as an absolute shock to them all. as a mother, a sister, a daughter, a wife, katie deeply mourns the pain and loss to innocent victims, students, law enforcement officers, families, and our community. in the aftermath of this tram did i she, her daughter, and her family are trying to come to terms with this event. bill: so now we're piecing this together the following way. we hear that russell last saw her husband on thursday, only hours before he died in a gunbattle with police in cambridge, massachusetts. she was handing off their 2-year-old daughter to stay with him while she went to work. again, that was thursday of last we
we'll talk to senator lindsey graham about this. he is coming up later this hour. bill: meanwhile, martha, a lawyer for tamerlan's widow, american widow is assisting and cooperating in the investigation. her family, the russell family in massachusetts, struggling to come to terms with his alleged involvement. this statement released through her attorney just late yesterday. >> the reports of involvement by her husband and brother-in-law came as an absolute shock to them all. as a mother,...
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. >> it's excruciating on somebody like rubio, on somebody like lindsey graham up for re-election. on somebody even like john mccain and jeff blake. so it's not impossible for this to occur, but it got a whole lot more difficult. >> joy, here's how the "national review" captured rubio's visit there. "it was striking to see how much he is personally admired by the colorful conservative pundits who broadcast on local a.m. stations, and by the biggest syndicated names like limbaugh. they still believe, without a doubt, that he's a top contender for the republican presidential nomination in 2016 and they love that he's already a national force. but when it comes to immigration, they're not buying it." >> yeah. >> why? >> well, because, you know, at the end of the day the o's at the end of rubio's first and last names are quite valuable to the republican party as an avatar for bringing in more hispanic voters. the ideas he's saying are not useful. it's been kind of pathetic to see marco rubio, supposedly this towering figure, latino ronald reagan of the republican party going hat in han
. >> it's excruciating on somebody like rubio, on somebody like lindsey graham up for re-election. on somebody even like john mccain and jeff blake. so it's not impossible for this to occur, but it got a whole lot more difficult. >> joy, here's how the "national review" captured rubio's visit there. "it was striking to see how much he is personally admired by the colorful conservative pundits who broadcast on local a.m. stations, and by the biggest syndicated names...
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the senator schumer and lindsey graham yesterday. he was talking about the new law. how are they going to force this? they are fooling themselves. that's not going to happen. we have problems right now with congress cutting funds from our federal government. where is the money coming from to enforce this? guest: two points. $11 million is a pretty good number. that is in the ballpark. 1986.k to passed thatbig bill offered status. .hey don't all come forward it is a legitimate concern. there has been an lot of effort in this bill to encourage people to come forward. you come forward within the first six months, as long as you don't have a criminal background, you'll beiven a temporary provisional status. you can go out and get a job and get paid above the table. you can travel back and forth to your home country. these are big carrots. fines be paid through levied on the individuals themselves. there will have to pay $2,000 or more. will everybody come forward? probably not. but i expect the percentage to 1986.gher than in highe "thee headlinerom daily beast." ofallow
the senator schumer and lindsey graham yesterday. he was talking about the new law. how are they going to force this? they are fooling themselves. that's not going to happen. we have problems right now with congress cutting funds from our federal government. where is the money coming from to enforce this? guest: two points. $11 million is a pretty good number. that is in the ballpark. 1986.k to passed thatbig bill offered status. .hey don't all come forward it is a legitimate concern. there has...
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four our republican senators joined in lindsey graham's call to label him as an enemy combatant. how likely is it at this point that's going to happen? >> i think it's still a call that's yet to be made. you certainly had the democratic senators, some of them will say no. they will follow the same line of thinking that the aclu does. certainly in the sunday show this morning, senator dick durbin said he is opposed to having the trial in the military court. so i think this will play out largely on partisan lines. >> dave, you've done some reporting on this, and it sounds as if, again, there's a d distinction between labeled enemy combatant in terms of being question ed, but at this point it does not seem as it he can be tried as an enemy combatant? >> no. the starting question, enemy combatant for whom? the resolution in 2001 said that, oun enemy combatants are members of organizations that carried out the 9/11 attacks. we're not at war with chechnya, any organization connected to these terrorists so far, we're simply not at war with them. we should be in contact with russians wha
four our republican senators joined in lindsey graham's call to label him as an enemy combatant. how likely is it at this point that's going to happen? >> i think it's still a call that's yet to be made. you certainly had the democratic senators, some of them will say no. they will follow the same line of thinking that the aclu does. certainly in the sunday show this morning, senator dick durbin said he is opposed to having the trial in the military court. so i think this will play out...
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what these old white men like mccain or lindsey graham, they turn around and stick a knife in the back of young white men like me. they turn their compassion outward, not inward. family values start at home. this issue on before because it matters to me as a guy who has been displaced by immigrant illegal labor. you have to be affected by immigration -- you should not be able to comment about it unless you are affected by it. we halted migration from germany 100 years ago because germany was a hornet nest. we halted migration from norway because wisconsin norwegians were not assimilating. those guys were blonde haired, blue-eyed. he always acted, had a moratoriums's, to digest these people. moratorium year from 1924-65, which is attacked by leftists like obama is some sort of racist things. you've made your point. let's go to sea of tranquility -- "the washington post" has this -- looking at other stories in the news, a new story from "the baltimore sun" -- william is our next call, glendale, maryland, independent. caller: how are you this morning? i could not disagree with more with t
what these old white men like mccain or lindsey graham, they turn around and stick a knife in the back of young white men like me. they turn their compassion outward, not inward. family values start at home. this issue on before because it matters to me as a guy who has been displaced by immigrant illegal labor. you have to be affected by immigration -- you should not be able to comment about it unless you are affected by it. we halted migration from germany 100 years ago because germany was a...
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lindsey graham says we need to up our game. we're still at war. now there's the big debate on spending right now. is this the time that to cut homeland security spending or to go after that budget or what is your view on that? because you know for two years now you've been talking about debt and deficit spending. and in this sense it all ties back together. >> well, what's driving our spending and driving our debt is the fact that there are 10,000 baby boomers like me retiring every day. 70,000 this week. 3.5 million this year. social security, medicare, there is no money there in those fund. it has all been spent. people are living longer, accessing medicaid. so the real drivers of the debt primarily are our big entitlement programs that won't survive in their current form unless we make some changes. so it has got, it really has nothing to do with what we call the discretionary spending pot. bill: understood. homeland security spending is not touched? >> we have the sequester because the president won't get serious about solving our big spending
lindsey graham says we need to up our game. we're still at war. now there's the big debate on spending right now. is this the time that to cut homeland security spending or to go after that budget or what is your view on that? because you know for two years now you've been talking about debt and deficit spending. and in this sense it all ties back together. >> well, what's driving our spending and driving our debt is the fact that there are 10,000 baby boomers like me retiring every day....
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graham. >> the only thing you need to know about lindsey gram right now is that he's running for re-election. even though he knows better, even though he knows that dzhokhar, for example, is not going to be tried as an enemy combatant, even though he knows his allegations against the president are ridiculous, it's a way of him scoring political points. i'll say, you know, i don't think there's anything wrong as you were pointing out asking questions about, okay, did the fbi follow the right course here? >> the investigation. >> absolutely. but when you go for this nakedly political point instead, you actually undermine those sorts of honest investigations. because it turns it into political football rather than a real inquiry into what happened and if there was anything we could do or anything we could learn. >> i think, joan, there is a legitimate questions one could raise, whether i agree with them or you agree with them or not. >> right. >> but to rev up benghazi, too? it is clear they're trying to get all kind of old political points, mixing in with new questions. because what benghazi a
graham. >> the only thing you need to know about lindsey gram right now is that he's running for re-election. even though he knows better, even though he knows that dzhokhar, for example, is not going to be tried as an enemy combatant, even though he knows his allegations against the president are ridiculous, it's a way of him scoring political points. i'll say, you know, i don't think there's anything wrong as you were pointing out asking questions about, okay, did the fbi follow the...
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it is like -- lindsey graham and john mccain saying these guys were international terrorists. to me, they're domestic terrorists. >> stephanie: again as legal experts have said, james that's a nonstarter. dzhokhar, the guy in the hospital is an american citizen committed on american soil. you can't try them as enemy combatants. you just can't. another '70s perfume for men? >> drakkar noir was '80s. >> stephanie: i would like to thank chris lavoie, jim ward, t-bone on phones and drums jacki, courtney, the whole gang over at current tv. dzhokhar. okay. >> i come from france. >> stephanie: see you tomorrow on "the stephanie miller show."
it is like -- lindsey graham and john mccain saying these guys were international terrorists. to me, they're domestic terrorists. >> stephanie: again as legal experts have said, james that's a nonstarter. dzhokhar, the guy in the hospital is an american citizen committed on american soil. you can't try them as enemy combatants. you just can't. another '70s perfume for men? >> drakkar noir was '80s. >> stephanie: i would like to thank chris lavoie, jim ward, t-bone on phones...
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i think gram gram overstated the argument, you're right. -- lindsey graham. you're a terrorist attempting to be member of a sleeper cell it is unclear you will necessarily surface as this proposed new law requires you to do and make yourself known to authorities. on the other hand here is the ironic thing. in a way the bill could make us safer from this perspective. the two brothers came here when their family came here. their family came here look like they had other families already here. the parents of two the brothers had a brother, their uncle already here in the united states and they therefore appear like they might have come here, they got extra points for already having relatives here in the united states. this is called chained migration. if you got a family member here, whether it is an uncle, an aunt, father, mother, grandfather, cousin, whatever, you get a little bit extra oomph in the line in order to get here and the new law being proposed by the "gang of eight" would dial back immigration based on family considerations and dial up immigration
i think gram gram overstated the argument, you're right. -- lindsey graham. you're a terrorist attempting to be member of a sleeper cell it is unclear you will necessarily surface as this proposed new law requires you to do and make yourself known to authorities. on the other hand here is the ironic thing. in a way the bill could make us safer from this perspective. the two brothers came here when their family came here. their family came here look like they had other families already here. the...
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when you have senators like lindsey graham saying that the suspect should be tried as an enemy combatant and then "the new york times" comes back with an editorial -- "mr. graham's reckless statement makes a mockery of the superb civilian police work that led to the suspect's capture, starting with the skillful analysis of the video recordings of the marathon. there is no reason that the lawyers and courts cannot continue to do their work." what do thou sayeth, kelly. >> they have a long history of prosecuting terrorism cases before and after 9/11. i think it's important when we are talking about a united states citizen where the conduct is principally here in the united states. i think the administration got it just right here. >> he a i see you nodding. >> i would second bet in the conversation that's going on right now, exacerbating fears in this country. terrorists aren't going after territory. they are going after the creation of fear, panic, and disruption of the system. we allow them to rip apart our constitution and they win. >> catherine crier and kelly cu ar rrie, thank you for
when you have senators like lindsey graham saying that the suspect should be tried as an enemy combatant and then "the new york times" comes back with an editorial -- "mr. graham's reckless statement makes a mockery of the superb civilian police work that led to the suspect's capture, starting with the skillful analysis of the video recordings of the marathon. there is no reason that the lawyers and courts cannot continue to do their work." what do thou sayeth, kelly....
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. >> earlier today republican senator lindsey graham urging the administration to hold off on any-mile-an-hour ga da warning and also to consider declaring the 19-year-old an enemy combatant or enemy belligerent which is legal option for intelligence-gathering. >> under the law of ward there is no right to legal counsel when you are being security purposes. i hope the obama administration will allow us that option that exists in our law. they have a very bad track record here. >> the white house telling reporters it would try the younger brother in federal court and that no options were considered. >> this is a matter that's decided by the department of justice and the attorney general, obviously at the top, the whole national security team supports this decision. >> military trial was not an option in this case because the 19-year-old is an american citizen. even if it provided more information about his brother who was killed last week. shep. >> shepard: catherine herridge in washington. catherine, thank you. that criminal complaint details the suspect's serious injuries. gunshot wounds to t
. >> earlier today republican senator lindsey graham urging the administration to hold off on any-mile-an-hour ga da warning and also to consider declaring the 19-year-old an enemy combatant or enemy belligerent which is legal option for intelligence-gathering. >> under the law of ward there is no right to legal counsel when you are being security purposes. i hope the obama administration will allow us that option that exists in our law. they have a very bad track record here....
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i think lindsey graham named it well when he called the schumer- mccain. the leadership of those two gentlemen in this process has been outstanding. it was everything i wished i could see since i have been here. when this bill is passed, it it will be a reaffirmation of two incredibly american ideas. the idea we are committed to the rule of law and the idea that we are a nation of immigrants. i would argue that it is those two ideas working together that decade after decade has enabled every generation of americans to invent the future. it is our time in the 21st century to decide whether we are still up to that task, whether we can continue to invent the future not just here, but the entire world. s of tential ourselves to thesei part of moving us forward. i want to thank the people in colorado who told me on how broken immigration system is effect in their lives and their works. the cattle ranchers on the eastern point. the people working in the high- tech field. the people who are the dreamers when i was superintendent of the denver public schools. each
i think lindsey graham named it well when he called the schumer- mccain. the leadership of those two gentlemen in this process has been outstanding. it was everything i wished i could see since i have been here. when this bill is passed, it it will be a reaffirmation of two incredibly american ideas. the idea we are committed to the rule of law and the idea that we are a nation of immigrants. i would argue that it is those two ideas working together that decade after decade has enabled every...
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lindsey graham was on of the chat shows yesterday, said absolutely. this guy is not a common criminal. he was out to kill americans. what do you think? enemy combatant? >> well, there are some people who think that enemy commits an act of terrorism should be tried in our criminal carts and others think they should be designated as enemy combatants. it's complicated question and seems to me what this administration should be looking at is what is the best way to get this person -- to bring him to justice, and also the best route to insure that we get the best information we can because that information could be helpful in prehave noting additional attacks in the future and that could provide answers which could bring some measure of closure to the victims as the families. i suspect what's going on now is you're having a talk in the administration looking at all the information and deciding what's the best way to treat both of those objectives. >> steve: at this point it sounds like what the government is doing is using the public safety exemption where
lindsey graham was on of the chat shows yesterday, said absolutely. this guy is not a common criminal. he was out to kill americans. what do you think? enemy combatant? >> well, there are some people who think that enemy commits an act of terrorism should be tried in our criminal carts and others think they should be designated as enemy combatants. it's complicated question and seems to me what this administration should be looking at is what is the best way to get this person -- to bring...
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earlier this week lindsey graham, senator from south carolina, said that that did in fact happen and janet napolitano, the homeland security secretary, said that he was not on some sort of terror watch list. so obviously there's going to be big questions asked at the upcoming white house briefing that will be happening in about half an hour from now, anderson. >> yeah. i guess had he pinged coming back, he could have been perhaps interviewed which he wasn't when he came back. jim, appreciate that update. now a significant moment to tell you about in boston's recovery. it happened earlier t morning when the barriers came down on boylston street. stores and businesses reopened. customers are returning. it isn't business as usual of course. that may take some time. the tragedy unfolded nine days ago is still fresh in everyone's mind. kate baldwin, what's it like where you are? >> it's a beautiful day. we're in the heart of the back bay and there's finally hustle and bustle here on boylston street. they opened this street way early this morning. the traffic flowing, back open here at cop
earlier this week lindsey graham, senator from south carolina, said that that did in fact happen and janet napolitano, the homeland security secretary, said that he was not on some sort of terror watch list. so obviously there's going to be big questions asked at the upcoming white house briefing that will be happening in about half an hour from now, anderson. >> yeah. i guess had he pinged coming back, he could have been perhaps interviewed which he wasn't when he came back. jim,...
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. >> this is lindsey graham on the floor. [video clip] going air force, are we to have enough airplanes? what happens to the f-35? >> it depends on what the top line is going forward. goest's say sequestration into effect. it will be hard to modernize. >> it will be impossible to modernize. >> would that make it more difficult to go into a situation? >> yes, sir. >> senator is still in the air force? >> reservist. >> what was going on? >> he was talking about the impacts of sequestration on the f-35 program. initially, it is not having much of an impact. the bigger questiot would happen if further rounds of cuts take place. that discussion really avoids the central issue, which is how many planes do they need? how many can the united states afford? >> you are making too much noise with your paper. it is a big spread, inside two full pages. a journalism question. how hard is it today with the shrinking size of newspapers to get this story in a newspaper? was. when you have a story that is important, when it touches upon key is
. >> this is lindsey graham on the floor. [video clip] going air force, are we to have enough airplanes? what happens to the f-35? >> it depends on what the top line is going forward. goest's say sequestration into effect. it will be hard to modernize. >> it will be impossible to modernize. >> would that make it more difficult to go into a situation? >> yes, sir. >> senator is still in the air force? >> reservist. >> what was going on? >> he...
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as some republican senators includes lindsey graham called for. senator graham challenged them saying the decision they made premature. let's listen. >> here's my concern. as a lawyer for over 30 years, civilian and military, i strongly support the concept that no criminal defendant should ever be required to incriminate themselves while they're in custody of the government. every nation at war should have the ability to defend themselves by gathering intelligence. these are not mutually exclusive concepts. i believe our nation is at war. the enemy is radical islam defined as the taliban, al qaeda, and affiliated groups. the question i have regarding this case, is there any association between these two individuals and the groups i just named, to allow enemy combatant status to be conferred upon the suspect in boston? >> let's drill down on the legal status of the boston bombing suspect. kendall coffey. the great jonathan turley, here in washington. thank you for this. can they decide later if a piece of evidence shows up a week from now, that sho
as some republican senators includes lindsey graham called for. senator graham challenged them saying the decision they made premature. let's listen. >> here's my concern. as a lawyer for over 30 years, civilian and military, i strongly support the concept that no criminal defendant should ever be required to incriminate themselves while they're in custody of the government. every nation at war should have the ability to defend themselves by gathering intelligence. these are not mutually...
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well-known southern >> bill: lindsey graham. >> we're trying to take it to the violent criminal rather than the innocent second amendment citizen. >> stephanie: oh, my stars and garters. >> if only our best interest at heart. >> stephanie: yet another thing that gives lindsey graham the vapors. the erosion of our second amendment rights. it's so difficult to get a gun in america. senator richard shelby. >> this is the first step in the erosion of our rights under the second amendment. >> stephanie: right. yes. >> try getting a gun in germany, and see how you do. >> you were one step away from hitler. >> no, i'm talking about now. >> all right. >> stephanie: warren in gary indiana. you are on the "stephanie miller show." or not because -- now you missed your chance. okay. jill in ithaca you are on the "stephanie miller show." good morning, jill. >> caller: good morning steph and handsome friends. >> stephanie: my handsome friends. >> caller: yeah, it's time for us to not take this anymore and go to washington directly during the week, not on the weekend -- >> stephanie: hey, we could ch
well-known southern >> bill: lindsey graham. >> we're trying to take it to the violent criminal rather than the innocent second amendment citizen. >> stephanie: oh, my stars and garters. >> if only our best interest at heart. >> stephanie: yet another thing that gives lindsey graham the vapors. the erosion of our second amendment rights. it's so difficult to get a gun in america. senator richard shelby. >> this is the first step in the erosion of our rights...
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two prominent senators john mccain and lindsey graham say he should be treated as an enemy combatant. he could be questioned without a lawyer. even though he was a u.s. citizen arrested on u.s. soil. what do you think about that? >> i think that's just a misunderstanding of the law. if you look back over the history over the last 20 years particularly, our justice system in the united states has worked very well in similar cases. look what happened in oklahoma city with timothy mcveigh who was not only convicted but suffered the death penalty. look what happened with eric rudolph with olympiapac park. the fbi can put this case together and be prosecuted in the courts of the united states and let justice follow that way. i don't think this is any way should be relegated -- not relegated, but elevated to something on enemy combatant status. this is a crime against the people of the united states. it can be handled that way. i have every confidence in the justice department and state authorities in massachusetts to do that. >> douglas jones, thanks for joining us. we appreciate it. >> my
two prominent senators john mccain and lindsey graham say he should be treated as an enemy combatant. he could be questioned without a lawyer. even though he was a u.s. citizen arrested on u.s. soil. what do you think about that? >> i think that's just a misunderstanding of the law. if you look back over the history over the last 20 years particularly, our justice system in the united states has worked very well in similar cases. look what happened in oklahoma city with timothy mcveigh...
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the overwhelming straight lindsey graham p orrin hatch dean heller, john hogan. james enhoff, they're all here. johnny isaacson, ron johnson mike lee, mitch mcconnell jerry moran, rand paul, pat roberts, marco rubio jeff sessions david vitter, roger wicker. these are guys who had a chance to stop killing now the democrats who decided their senate seats and pensions of nra ratings are not getting primaried are more important than you max baucus, heidi high camp and sorry of the massacring of names. harry reid also voted no only because that means he can bring the vote up again but he gets honorary mention for
the overwhelming straight lindsey graham p orrin hatch dean heller, john hogan. james enhoff, they're all here. johnny isaacson, ron johnson mike lee, mitch mcconnell jerry moran, rand paul, pat roberts, marco rubio jeff sessions david vitter, roger wicker. these are guys who had a chance to stop killing now the democrats who decided their senate seats and pensions of nra ratings are not getting primaried are more important than you max baucus, heidi high camp and sorry of the massacring of...
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. >> what i thought was interesting, if i understand senator lindsey graham correctly, is what he was proposing is by making him an enemy combatant, that he would be turned over to the military to be questioned for a period, 30 days, and whatever he said during that 30 days could not be used against him when he gets turned back over for a federal trial. i think that's what he said. you know, which is different than what i think some people thought he meant originally. but anyway, i also thought it was interesting that the defendant is, according to the magistrate, and we have a copy of the transcript from the court hearing today, is that he is alert, mentally competent, and lucid. they did talk to him a little bit. i guess they might have got some information out of him the last day or so, would you expect? >> you know, i think what we have to do here, greta, as you are pointing out, is to separate the whole notion of what would be admissible in a criminal trial. i think there's very little doubt that he will be found guilty in a criminal trial; that he very likely will receive the de
. >> what i thought was interesting, if i understand senator lindsey graham correctly, is what he was proposing is by making him an enemy combatant, that he would be turned over to the military to be questioned for a period, 30 days, and whatever he said during that 30 days could not be used against him when he gets turned back over for a federal trial. i think that's what he said. you know, which is different than what i think some people thought he meant originally. but anyway, i also...
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some of the criticism is being let by lindsey graham of south carolina and john mccain. here was senator graham just a short time ago this morning. >> this man in my view should be designated as a potential enemy combatant and we should be allowed to question him for intelligence gathering purposes to find out about future attacks and terrorist organizations that may exist that he has knowledge of, and that evidence cannot be used against him in trial. that evidence is used to protect us as a nation. >> but a suspect like this one in a case like this can't be tried in a military tribunal because of what's called the national defense authorization act of 2012, which basically says if you're an american citizen, to be tried as an enemy combatant, there has to at least be some tangible links that connect you to enemy forces. among them, al qaeda. the next question, though, is if he should be treated as a standard criminal defendant, or if some of the rights should be different given the accusations of terror against this man, dzhokhar tsarnaev. and that relates to in mirand
some of the criticism is being let by lindsey graham of south carolina and john mccain. here was senator graham just a short time ago this morning. >> this man in my view should be designated as a potential enemy combatant and we should be allowed to question him for intelligence gathering purposes to find out about future attacks and terrorist organizations that may exist that he has knowledge of, and that evidence cannot be used against him in trial. that evidence is used to protect us...
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here's republican senator lindsey graham. >> between benghazi and boston, we are letting our guard down and it's beginning to show. >> now it's not just boston. it's benghazi, too. the right wingers are even more extreme. >> yeah, they are all democrats. well, of course they are democrats. joker with a tweet celebrating obama's re-election. i've got the tweet. of course they are all democrats. you think these guys are voting for romney? >> president obama hates this country. he doesn't like america as it was founded and muslims don't either. they hate america. they mate america's founder and that's the bond that they share. >> these are hateful, ugly comments but they are distractions and political stunts that make us less safe, not more. terrorism is a serious challenge that we as a country need to face together, united, not divided. joining me now, congressman adam shift, democrat from california and a member of the permanent select committee on intelligence. he was at the closed-door house briefing today on the boston bombings. and former governor ed rendell, an msnbc analyst. thanks
here's republican senator lindsey graham. >> between benghazi and boston, we are letting our guard down and it's beginning to show. >> now it's not just boston. it's benghazi, too. the right wingers are even more extreme. >> yeah, they are all democrats. well, of course they are democrats. joker with a tweet celebrating obama's re-election. i've got the tweet. of course they are all democrats. you think these guys are voting for romney? >> president obama hates this...
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we saw senators john mccain, lindsey graham, put out a statement on friday afternoon saying this should not have happened at all. if you are going support comprehensive immigration reform, it would be to make sure that people come out of the shadows, that the country knows who is in this country and who is not. they were really defensive, trying to come out for this type of thing. it is important to note in this debate that these two brothers came to the united states for sure thatt i am not is applicable to the big contours' of the immigration reform bill that is trying to give a pathway to citizenship to people who are illegal in this country, not those who came in under asylum. host: the fbi is under some criticism because apparently they had looked into the older brothers trip to russia. six months. for they don't know who we had contact with and the fbi basically said he was not a threat. and of course we know what happened last monday. guest: there will be a tremendous amount of reporting over the next several days about what the fbi knew and did not know. in some type of instance
we saw senators john mccain, lindsey graham, put out a statement on friday afternoon saying this should not have happened at all. if you are going support comprehensive immigration reform, it would be to make sure that people come out of the shadows, that the country knows who is in this country and who is not. they were really defensive, trying to come out for this type of thing. it is important to note in this debate that these two brothers came to the united states for sure thatt i am not is...
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what we are trying to achieve with lindsey graham and kelly, that is the most important thing. our priority should be not to punish these perpetrators, not to prosecute them, not to rehabilitate them. our main purpose should be that we have somebody in custody that may know of other terrorist plots and terrorist cells that has information that could save lives. can they get information from them? tell them that he has the right to remain silent and we are going to remain ignorant of the information that he has, even if that means that other people will be killed and a terrorist act in the future. it is a mistaken decision to say that we will remain ignorant. aside from all of the prosecution and issues. we are remaining ignorant right choice. >> officials say the boston bombing suspects are apparently motivated by religion. no terrorist group ties. -- brother's mastermind masterminded the attack. they worked independently. does that change your opinion? >> i have great respect for the media. i spent many years as a journalist. we get things wrong. how do we know? can you tell m
what we are trying to achieve with lindsey graham and kelly, that is the most important thing. our priority should be not to punish these perpetrators, not to prosecute them, not to rehabilitate them. our main purpose should be that we have somebody in custody that may know of other terrorist plots and terrorist cells that has information that could save lives. can they get information from them? tell them that he has the right to remain silent and we are going to remain ignorant of the...
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. >> already some calls specifically from senator lindsey graham, specifically from senator john mccain for the suspect to be treated as an enemy combatant. how is legal action at this point most likely to move forward? >> reporter: well, the obama administration would never go for that, partly as a policy matter. they have made it quite clear that civilian courts are up to the task and they think in many ways better than military tribunals which are untested. civilian courts have convicted lots of terrorism defendants. it will be a federal case. they'll charge him withes with use of a weapons of mass destruction. the maximum penalty is the death penalty. the government will have to decide whether to seek that or not. there's an additional wrinkle here. he is an american citizen. he was a naturalized citizen last year oddly on 9/11 of last year, and there is an open legal question about whether even if the government wanted to, it could declare an american citizen captured on u.s. soil as an enemy combatant. it's an untested question. the government tried to do it in the case of jose pa
. >> already some calls specifically from senator lindsey graham, specifically from senator john mccain for the suspect to be treated as an enemy combatant. how is legal action at this point most likely to move forward? >> reporter: well, the obama administration would never go for that, partly as a policy matter. they have made it quite clear that civilian courts are up to the task and they think in many ways better than military tribunals which are untested. civilian courts have...
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host: senator lindsey graham of south carolina. roberta kaplan, who is his audience? guest: two groups talking to. the first is the american people are not unanimous about whether people who entered this country illegally should be able to become citizens one day. so he is speaking to the american people broadly, a minority, but people not get behind a lot of the provisions in the proposal. on capitol hill, there are some people who are very concerned about what happened in t last timerede rgan granted a mass amnesty. there were about 3 million people at the time who re legal aftethat process. what's happened over the last few decades is that people just kept coming back here illegally. that's one of the things people are very concerned about stopping this time. chief among those people is jeff sessions from alabama. he has two major concerns probably will hear about today in the judiciary committee. one is that the influx of workers into the legal system will create too much competition on employment opportunities and wages for american workers. he's also concerned a
host: senator lindsey graham of south carolina. roberta kaplan, who is his audience? guest: two groups talking to. the first is the american people are not unanimous about whether people who entered this country illegally should be able to become citizens one day. so he is speaking to the american people broadly, a minority, but people not get behind a lot of the provisions in the proposal. on capitol hill, there are some people who are very concerned about what happened in t last timerede rgan...
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. >> reporter: but south carolina republican lindsey graham said the measures being touted by president obama and most democrats would do little to reduce gun violence. >> the president wanted three thgs done. he wanted to ban assault weapons. he wanted to limit magazine sizes. and he wanted to impose a universal background check. well all three of those concepts are going to be on the floor of the united states senate for a vote, and they're all going to lose. why? because they're not the solution to the problem we all face. >> on this vote the yeas are 54, the nays are 46. >> reporter: in the end, as vice president biden presided, the background check amendment failed to clear the 60-vote threshold needed to pass. the concealed firearm measure and the ban on assault weapons. also failed. but late in the day, senate democrats-- joined by family members of victims of gun violence-- pledged to keep up the fight. >> i want everyone to understand this is just the beginning not the end. the forces so obsessed with defeating any commonsense reforms whatsoever, they lost site of big picture.
. >> reporter: but south carolina republican lindsey graham said the measures being touted by president obama and most democrats would do little to reduce gun violence. >> the president wanted three thgs done. he wanted to ban assault weapons. he wanted to limit magazine sizes. and he wanted to impose a universal background check. well all three of those concepts are going to be on the floor of the united states senate for a vote, and they're all going to lose. why? because they're...
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i don't want to speak for lindsey graham or kelly ayotte, but i think what they would say is we would like absolutely to have the possibility. if there is ticking time bomb let's find out about it. miranda was put into place so you don't have coercion and false confessions under pressure. you don't want to have that but you can prevent that in earth ways too. you can videotape the entire proceeding but you also want to have a more thorough investigation, again because you want to know the methods that are being used. if one of the brothers went to chechnya as we think he did, and was trained by whom or what cells was he told to go back and do this. anytime of your own choosing? will you get a phone call to tell you to do it? was he in touch with other cells may not do something immediately but in three months and at that time people will be killed? i'm absolutely for constitutional questions but it was justice robert jackson who said the constitution is not a suicide pact. to choose not to know is wrong. i want to also raise one other thing and i think senator graham was quite right i
i don't want to speak for lindsey graham or kelly ayotte, but i think what they would say is we would like absolutely to have the possibility. if there is ticking time bomb let's find out about it. miranda was put into place so you don't have coercion and false confessions under pressure. you don't want to have that but you can prevent that in earth ways too. you can videotape the entire proceeding but you also want to have a more thorough investigation, again because you want to know the...